..which sounds like it's time for me to drop a line or two as well..

Simply put: There are only two parties that know exactly what has been going on during the months (!) before, during and after the decision to ban GuyveR800 for the second time on the MSX Resource Center. These two parties are the MRC admin team, and GuyveR800. Banning GuvyeR800 wasn't something done for one single (though very rude, and often repeated without an inch of sarcasm) remark, but from a long line of situations and behaviour we at the MRC were completely fed up with. Knowing all ins and outs of the situation, I am 100% completely sure that the private forum mars2000you proposed would not have solved a single bit of the problem. Of course you can interpret that as a 'MRC does not want to solve the situation', and I have the feeling mars2000you does (or at least did), but nothing could be further from the truth. We have tried many things to ease the situation and to prevent it from escalating (the first ban was removed for a reason) such as chats, lots of mails and even an IRL meeting, but in the end it just did not help. As GuyveR800 refused to take even one single step back and the situation was causing us to lose sleep and highly demotivated us in continuing with the MRC, we were left with little other options, if any.

All we have ever asked from GuyveR800 is for an apology in order to be able to continue the discussions. Not for an 'MRC is 100% right', but at least an 'I was not 100% right'. I personally have the feeling the situation would and could have cooled down much sooner if there weren't so many people constantly trying to push either MRC or GuyveR800 into new statements and actions on the situation, yet am highly disappointed by the words GuyveR800 chose to use in the MSXdev'05 report. I hope he does cool down one day. Meanwhile I've tried to bypass -my- permban on #msxdev in order to have a chat with GuyveR800 that might help in things easing down as well, but so far I did not manage to be online at the same time as Guyv's. Perhaps the whole situation isn't as hopeless as it looks, and I'm afraid it can't get a lot worse than this either...

This was very well possible in private. I don't see why other people need to get their noses into other people's business, like you suggest. People often have good intentions but are mostly only stirring things up. Like Snout said, the general public has mostly only been forcing either MRC or Guyver in taking action, while shutting up was probably the wisest.



And he has done so. Over and over.. we all have heard the stories about the big bad MRC over and over again. Don't worry, his side of the story -has- been heard. It's the MRC story that actually has never been -fully- told. Don't expect us to do so either, though.



Come on, you can't be serious about that. Apologies which are not spoken out but kept silent are no apologies at all.


Anyway, you already said it, Snout said it, I said it... I think it's clear now: Guyver needs to apologize to MRC first, then we can take further steps.

Both parties are very well aware of what the conflict is actually about. I already stated that in the post preceding yours. It's the outsiders who actually lack that knowledge. Which is prolly why you suggest us to find out.

I kinda keep repeating myself here, but, again, MRC has taken steps in reestablishing communcation.

Anyways, thanks for thinking along.

Guess I'll stick my oar in too, everyone else has and I'd hate to be left out like some unwanted pygmy.

I guess J-War has hit the nail on the head pretty much, the only thing I can add is that if badness goes on for long enough it stops being about why and just becomes the way it's always been because that's the way it is. (if that makes any sense)

There's some pretty deep routed anger going on and of course the parties concerned have their justification for their perspective, this of course is the primary basis for any human conflict.

Some times things go wrong and there's no fix. Sometimes there is a fix.  If there is it alludes me for now.

So I'm going to grab my HX-10 and get on the next flight to france and RNFF.

I suggest everyone else does this too.