I will do as you ask, of course, this is your house, and I'll follow your rules when I'm here. Permit me to ask you one question though: who started this thread?

Heya, partner!

Sorry, but I must disagree with you . Here at Karoshi Corp. forums we strongly lived the MSXdev'05 process in the creation of the games, the latest days of hard work and all the reactions when all games came: it's normal to comment the results impresions. And as GuyveR800 has paste inside the results some personal comments, I just wanted to ask everyone how do they feel about those words at the MSXdev'05 results document. So, I guess this thread is on-topic, after all.

It's true that both t00b and mars2000you are going a step further, trying to solve/explain old fights, or guessin' if GuyveR's words are true or false. For me it's no problem if they do it with an open mind and kind words . It's true that we do not want moderation here, but for now I think people in this thread are actin' ok and I see no reason to close the discussion.

Regards,

PD.- Hey Edu, drop me an email to start plannin' 2006

Well, quite simply: you just don't say that.. period. I mean, in the whole history of guyver@MRC-pepper, this was by far the darkest event.
MRC is an international portal (or what whatever you'll call it) .. no doubt there are MSX'ers, MRC-readers, who are kinda sensitive to those kinda words, more than others. I can clearly imagine MRC moderating that text away and banning you. Esp. since Bart (to whom the thread was aimed) got remarks of his colleages @ work, who're prolly not MSX'ers at all! This is clearly an example of a valid ban.. no matter how you twist and turn it.


You have a twisted view on the world if you think someone can take that message as 'not so seriously' ..


Well, and that summarizes everything I think, you clearly don't know how you appear at the other side of a posted message. If you assume you're mild/joke'ish/satirical, you could as well appear extremely rough.


In a way MRC does .. since you're as good as 'void' on the forum/newsposts. The snout-reaction from a few days ago was purely a reaction to the content of the jury-report, which you started.

You're unbanned.., tho I don't expect you back there anyway, knowing you..
As for the things you said .. see above .. it's your style which is a bit on the edge in some situations, and you know I've mentioned that @ IRC and @ query.., ages ago..
Can't you imagine that your style in those situations builds-up a certain 'image' of 'guyver800'? (and it's everyone who creates that image, not just admins) Unintended perhaps, but the image is there. Once you have such an image, things you say can be intepreted as extreme. And that's where a little snowball becomes an avalance..

Let's keep that in the middle, until we (the ppl who you think are against you) actually know something about it..


You've a reference? (date? year? etc.) can't recall that, but I've no problem finding it if I know what to look for.. lately I skip the ML a bit since it's almost dead..


Alltho I'm not signed-up for posse, I do tend to read it now and then, so I know the thread you're prolly referring to.. the thread while MRC was hacked while you were on holiday .. right? Again, ppl tried to be nice to you, tried to keep things calm, heck even to take away the accusions of you being the hacker, still you returned and continued with that typical overreacted style again ...  welcome home, how was your holiday? .. *sigh* Well, no shit Sherlock, but ppl don't want that.. not on MRC, not on Posse.

Can't say much about this since I don't know about which IRC-period you're talking now .. as in, I dunno what all hapaned @ #msxdev in the past .. half year orso?


Indeed, it was quiet for a while, which is why I expected (see my first post) that things might had cooled down a bit.. if you didn't add the MRC-issue in that jury-report, everything would be perfect, and you'd even have gathered a symbolical (+1) from me, 'forum-jargon'-wise ..
The fair thing .. well, dunno, iirc no-one was really bothered of you not being there. The only one who's bothered is prolly you.


So, putting that MRC-issue in the report is 'not attacking them' ? Esp. the style, and again the fascist-word is the perfect example of what I meant with 'other side of the text' (see above). If you think that's normal writing, then you're wrong. Simple as that .. don't believe me? Take all this lot to a communication-expert and ask him/her for a 3rd party view on the matter.


Had you not put the MRC-issue in that report, I would've prolly believed you, up to a certain level perhaps, but at least more than nothing..


If you get a million euro from the lottery, even then you won't sue them.. mark my words..


You are able to post about it, just make sure
- you aren't being banned
- you keep it unpepperised


Again, you're largely forgotton @ MRC-users, and admins tend to forget you as well .., the only reason Snout reacted few days ago, because you triggered the issue again.


I could react on the latter arguement, but I decide to skip it for now .. need to think whether I react on that (and how .. I prefer mature debates) ..


Yes, Clinton was not a really bad president (even Saddam confessed that, how's that!), but that single cigar did ruin his carreer .. once more a reason to watch your style, because if you have a bad rep. then it's purely because of that 5% text which was pepperised.

ppl, users and admins will always agree that you were most helpful on msx-support. No doubt about that..
Keep in mind tho that 'helping alot' doesn't give you more rights, esp. not more rights to use pepper-language..


No, being jury wasn't wrong, it was actually an opportunity to receive a (+1) .. forumspeak, but you ruined it yourself by using the report as a means to bring back the same old issues again. I think there's no-one who seriously thinks you were a bad choice to judge the games.. really.


well, dunno if it's a mistake, it's at least a means to talk things over, as far as that does even matter anymore..


In your case it's called 'masterbation', really      ( <- and that was a joke you should hopefully appreciate  ^_^ )



tjaaaaa..

t00b: Received your moderation alert. You were true, but since I let the discussion to continue I decided not to moderate it  . Regards. (note=still searchin'  )

J-War, your point of view is very interesting. I have maybe wasted some energy in this problem, and that's why after more than one year after the events, I've decided to limit my reactions to constating and regretting the situation.

Because I had in the past some misunderstandings on MRC with GuyveR800 and because I had finallly found a gentleman's agreement with him OUTSIDE MRC, without the intervention of any moderator, I've always thought (and I still think) that the problems before and around GuyveR800's banishment by MRC have been probably managed on a very bad manner.

Of course, MRC is not a democracy, it's a free community that shares a passion for MSX and accepts some rules for a good working of the forums especially. MRC can decide what he wants, it's not my affair. But when it touches someone for which I've discovered a great sympathy, I can at least try to suggest a better way to resolve such problem. All my suggestions were viewed as impossible or ludicrous. I couldn't accept that as I had made the personal proof that a gentleman's agreement with GuyveR800 was possible, if you speak sincerely with him, without trying to be right at 100 %. That's why I speak of compromise. Are now both parties ready for a compromise ? That's the question.

That's right.

In the same post, I also precise this :

"And to come to the origin of the problem, three persons should present excuses before that a compromise should be possible"

I let you guess which are the 2 other persons but to avoid all confusion, the first person that must apologize from my point of view is GuyveR800.

There's one small thing I'd like to add to this discussion... GuyveR800 states he's "fucked", but I really doubt if that's the truth. As far as I can see, nobody is actually rejecting him anywhere. As I don't visit IRC channels, I can't speak for that, but the only thing that I have seen rejected is the ongoing discussion about this subject. If GuyveR800 would behave himself as he did before all this started, probably nobody would reject him anywhere. Look at Wolf's statement about the '+1 if he had'nt mentioned the MRC issue in the jury report'. I believe with quite some certainty that this is how most people feel about it. GuyveR800 is not rejected as a person, but everyone has become tired of the 'MRC-GuyveR' thing (which is quite comprehensible, considering the fact that it has come up quite some times but every time it does come up, it doesn't get any closer to a solution).

Apart from that, there's little I can add to the already extensive discussion in this thread. Although I agree with t00b that Mars2000you's posts tend to lack argumentation, I do agree with Mars' "let it rest" attitude. A solution for this problem is probably nowhere to be found.