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« Respuesta #15 : 04 de Enero de 2006, 01:44:14 am »

Wolf, this discussion has no sense.

Read again this phrase :

"You know exactly what about I speak, just before GuyveR800 banishment."

The problem begins at this moment and has been many times discussed on MRC. The other events are the consequence of the banishment.

Since 2 months, I'm personnally convicted that there will never be a solution. That's why I've decided to stop with all discussions, attacks, critics, suggestions about this matter. But it's my right to regret the situation. And you can notice that I don't appreciate the bad words used recently by Snout and GuyveR800 ... not only Snout ... not only GuyveR800 ... but both persons.
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« Respuesta #16 : 04 de Enero de 2006, 01:46:01 am »

As you don't answer to my last private message, the discussion is closed.

As you play naive game, communication is impossible.

Adios !
You're the one that keeps running away. You accuse MRC (and thus me) of doing things, and then refuse to give a single argument. When I ask you to meet with me, you refuse. When I respond to your messages kindly, asking you if we could please discuss this like adults, you refuse. If I ask you to reconsider, you reply with the same old 'encrypted messages' as always.

If you want to leave this subject alone, that's fine, but then leave it alone. Stop accusing MRC of things they didn't do, and stop mentioning the Guyver/MRC or AIKY issue every blimmin chance you get. If you do want to keep talking about it, that's fine too, but then at least have the common courtesey to speak clearly. If you're going to accuse MRC of something, at least be 'kind' enough to actually accuse them of something, not your usual vague insinuations, lacking any content.
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« Respuesta #17 : 04 de Enero de 2006, 01:50:05 am »

Wolf, this discussion has no sense.

Read again this phrase :

"You know exactly what about I speak, just before GuyveR800 banishment."
Why is it you can't be more specific than that? Why is it you have yet to name a single of your accusations? Why is it you cannot give a simple example of "what we know"? Are you truly so unfair to us that you won't even say what it is we did? I really wonder why.....
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« Respuesta #18 : 04 de Enero de 2006, 01:58:16 am »

To T00b :

It's my right to no more use any IRC channel (not only #msx)

See my answer to Wolf and all the 'old' discussions on MRC.

There's no any attack against MRC in the recent thread about Aiky.

So, where is the objectivity in your words ?

To Wolf :

See the 'old' discussions on MRC

It's just loss of time to repeat the same things and some people don't appreciate that

So, now my rule on this matter is only regret the situation

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« Respuesta #19 : 04 de Enero de 2006, 02:04:53 am »

what I see in the old discussions?

- G overreacting, flaming etc., again and again and again
- MRC applying short bans for bad language, not for the background of it

So exactly what does MRC do wrong towards G ?

Unless no-one can show me a list, there *is* no list .. simple as that ..

So we just have to assume there *is* a list? Even when no-one can show it? Sounds religious!

A: 'there is a god! really!'
B: 'prove it'
A: 'why should I?'
B: 'why should I believe you when you say there is a god then'
A: 'because it is true'


This is the perfect analogy!
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« Respuesta #20 : 04 de Enero de 2006, 02:09:19 am »

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MRC applying short bans for bad language, not for the background of it

The last words define exactly the problem : the context in which some bad words have been expressed by some persons just before the banishment has never been taken in consideration and/or examined by third parties. I had made suggestions that have been seen as impossible by MRC. The rest is history ...
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« Respuesta #21 : 04 de Enero de 2006, 02:18:52 am »

To T00b :

It's my right to no more use any IRC channel (not only #msx)

See my answer to Wolf and all the 'old' discussions on MRC.

There's no any attack against MRC in the recent thread about Aiky.

So, where is the objectivity in your words ?
I never said it's not your right to do what ever it is that pleases you most. All I did was ask you to please have a chat with me on IRC so we could talk about this issue. The fact that you refuse to do so tells me you must be very worried about what you would say in a 'face to face' conversation, probably because you have nothing to say. As usual, you fail to answer any of my questions. You fail to answer any questions regarding the matter. I know why, I just wanted everyone else to know why as well.

I never said you attacked MRC in the recent Aiky post. I only said that you seem to enjoy keeping these kinds of subjects under close attention at all times. Just when things have calmed down, you find the need to dig up an old 'war'. You say you regret the situation, but take every chance you get to remind people of it.

You keep saying MRC is unwilling to resolve the issue, yet you have absolutely no idea what happened, what MRC did or did not do, nor what MRC has or has not attempted to do to resolve or aggravate the issue. You made up your mind before knowing the facts, and now that you're slowly learning the facts, you're too embarrased to admit you might have been wrong. You are continually dismissive of MRC, negative in general, keep up digging old issues to see if you can somehow make matters worse, and have yet to point out a single thing MRC may have done to aggravate the matter.

When I ask you to 'meet in private', you refuse. And when I'm then forced to call you out in public, you don't wish to answer any of the questions you are asked and conveniently dismiss them with a "you know what I'm talking about". My dear friend, I do know what I am talking about. The question is: do you?
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« Respuesta #22 : 04 de Enero de 2006, 02:21:27 am »

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MRC applying short bans for bad language, not for the background of it

The last words define exactly the problem : the context in which some bad words have been expressed by some persons just before the banishment has never been taken in consideration and/or examined by third parties. I had made suggestions that have been seen as impossible by MRC. The rest is history ...
ROFL! What are you implying? That MRC should ask you for permission when someone else calls a site admin a 'fascist' and likens the way he was treated to the persecution of the Jews by the nazis? You're just too sweet. But let me guess, calling an admin a 'fascist' is probably not something you should ban someone for, is it?
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« Respuesta #23 : 04 de Enero de 2006, 02:25:32 am »

To answer to your last question : for me, all depends from the context, but of course I should also wait for excuses before to 'forget' the incident if the context can 'explain' an exaggerate reaction

For the rest, here's the text of my last private message :

"I don't think that you have read my last reactions very carefully. Since I'm convicted (and it's recent) that no any solution will resolve the problem, I've decided to simply regret the situation without entering again in a round of suggestions, critics, attacks, etc ... Constating and regretting a situation is not an attack, comparing the situation with politician's attitude is not an attack. As I've said, compromise is impossible. Both Snout and GuyveR800 have used very bad words in their recent messages, I must also regret it, because it's not the good way to go to a compromise. Read again my last phrase : what I say concerns also GuyveR800, not only Snout. So, I think that I try to be objective. And to come to the origin of the problem, three persons should present excuses before that a compromise should be possible. But again, it's impossible and too late (more than 1 year after the events)."

Eveyone can now try to understand your strange reading of my message.
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« Respuesta #24 : 04 de Enero de 2006, 02:31:59 am »

To answer to your last question : for me, all depends from the context, but of course I should also wait for excuses before to 'forget' the incident if the context can 'explain' an exaggerate reaction

For the rest, here's the text of my last private message :

"I don't think that you have read my last reactions very carefully. Since I'm convicted (and it's recent) that no any solution will resolve the problem, I've decided to simply regret the situation without entering again in a round of suggestions, critics, attacks, etc ... Constating and regretting a situation is not an attack, comparing the situation with politician's attitude is not an attack. As I've said, compromise is impossible. Both Snout and GuyveR800 have used very bad words in their recent messages, I must also regret it, because it's not the good way to go to a compromise. Read again my last phrase : what I say concerns also GuyveR800, not only Snout. So, I think that I try to be objective. And to come to the origin of the problem, three persons should present excuses before that a compromise should be possible. But again, it's impossible and too late (more than 1 year after the events)."

Eveyone can now try to understand your strange reading of my message.
Yeah, but as usual, no content... Empty words... I did not ask you for your opinion on how the problem could or could not  be fixed. I asked you if we could please talk some day to go over the problem. I asked you to please hear my/our side of the story, before you make up your mind. I asked you to please listen to what it is I/MRC has to say. I ask you to take all events into account before judging us. And in reponse to those questions, that's the kind of message I get. When I ask you to pass the salt, do you tell me what time it is in reply?
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« Respuesta #25 : 04 de Enero de 2006, 02:37:55 am »

I don't have refused this discussion, it can be done by private messages, but I'll never use IRC again.

So if you see my answer as negative, you're wrong. Excuse me, but you are twisting the reality.
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« Respuesta #26 : 04 de Enero de 2006, 02:41:23 am »

I don't have refused this discussion, it can be done by private messages, but I'll never use IRC again.

So if you see my answer as negative, you're wrong. Excuse me, but you are twisting the reality.
Well, as you can see, posting messages over and over again is not the fastest way to discuss things. On the other hand, at least this way people can see how you refuse to answer any of the questions you are asked. I think I'm done with you now, pending any reply of yours that is. I think everyone has seen that your accusations against MRC are just plain 'baseless' and really 'slander'. Wink
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« Respuesta #27 : 04 de Enero de 2006, 02:41:37 am »

On IRC, the discussion would be more dynamic tho .. better reply 10x on 10 single lines than 1x with w huge chunk o' text ..

Or are you affraid of Socrates-style questions? Tongue
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« Respuesta #28 : 04 de Enero de 2006, 02:48:23 am »

T00b : you are only proving that real communication about serious problems with MRC is impossible, because MRC thinks that he must be right at 100 %. No compromise possible ....

Wolf : I have taken some extra-security measures since my PC was attacked by a trojan. The rest is only interpretation.
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« Respuesta #29 : 04 de Enero de 2006, 02:50:44 am »

It is good to see that Karoshi's forum is a warm place even in winter.  Sad

This is a free forum and we want to keep it without moderation. Anyway, our main focus is game development. Perhaps all this extensive thread has not much to do with it, don't you think so?  Wink

Please share the joy of playing the newest MSX games available and do not exploit the fun by continuing quarrels that were started a long time ago. Thank you.
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