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« Respuesta #30 : 03 de Julio de 2014, 04:32:18 pm »

Hey, you can vote what you want, but I think all games can have errors because developers are all human.

I know that Smiley My human me has errors too. Anyway I didn't vote the humans, just the games. My votes for the humans are really high, but that's another contest.

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In any case, the big error for me is comparing them with the big companies' games, like Konami, Compile, etc, in a development contest.

Well, that wasn't me.
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« Respuesta #31 : 03 de Julio de 2014, 04:41:45 pm »

The right thing to do is to admit your error and say so in the forum.

Sorry, my position is pretty clear about this. Thank you anyway for trying to help me on doing what you think it's right!

Again, we agree more than you think. But what you did is not correct. You and many other may not like Kralizec opinion but only reading the posts in this forum there is no reason to ban them as you did.

Anyway, trying to confront "what I THINK is right" (my point of view) versus "what IS right" (your point of view) is unfair. What leads me to a simple conclusion: as this is your forum you rule it for your own purposes. Which is correct, but do not say you do it for the sake of the MSX community.

So: thanks for letting me see the truth behind Karoshi's forums.

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We can agree more or less with Jon's decision but I think it's good to keep in mind that who is adding, creating and dedicating efforts (and not breaking) for the MSX scene is Jon.

Nah, not at all. Just want to keep up with the spirit of the original MSXdev created by pitpan! Everyone here (and at other MSX communities, of course) *is* an active part of the scene! ;-)

We should evolve. Now that there are more experienced developers, we should increase the quality standards and demand more quality in games.
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« Respuesta #32 : 03 de Julio de 2014, 04:45:15 pm »

Congratulations Nerlaska Smiley
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« Respuesta #33 : 03 de Julio de 2014, 04:55:12 pm »

So: thanks for letting me see the truth behind Karoshi's forums.

If I have been in any help to make you see some things more clear, I'm more than happy!


We should evolve. Now that there are more experienced developers, we should increase the quality standards and demand more quality in games.

I really love your vehemence on helping us to know what in your opinion is right and what do you think we should do! It is pretty enthusiastic from you and really inspiring!

People who want an evolution can, of course, lead the evolution by themselves: those wanting highest quality standards, higher specs, etc. The fact is that the MSXdev is an active development contest with its spirit and history behind, and it seems that is somehow easier to try to modify it, change its spirit, or spoil it, than trying to make a brand new contest or development space by themselves. So I agree with you on that some people could want a contest this or that way: for those, ok, go ahead and make it. I will be eager to participate! ;-).

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« Respuesta #34 : 03 de Julio de 2014, 05:19:33 pm »

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We should evolve. Now that there are more experienced developers, we should increase the quality standards and demand more quality in games.

I really love your vehemence on helping us to know what in your opinion is right and what do you think we should do! It is pretty enthusiastic from you and really inspiring!

That's what a forum is for. Exposing different points of view. I also love your vehemence on imposing what in your opinion is right,  keeping saying that you are right and mine is just an opinion, reducing the problem to only two cases (MrSpock vs the World) and banning controversial opinions. Of course, I am being sarcastic. I don't love at all this way of ruling an open MSX forum. Unless, again, it is not an open MSX forum and this is just sort of private Karoshi forum allowing other opinions as long as they don't disagree with yours.

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People who want an evolution can, of course, lead the evolution by themselves: those wanting highest quality standards, higher specs, etc. The fact is that the MSXdev is an active development contest with its spirit and history behind, and it seems that is somehow easier to try to modify it, change its spirit, or spoil it, than trying to make a brand new contest or development space by themselves. So I agree with you on that some people could want a contest this or that way: for those, ok, go ahead and make it. I will be eager to participate! ;-).

Ok. So everybody not agreeing with you should leave. Just one final question: is this your personal point of view or the official Karoshi point of view?
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« Respuesta #35 : 03 de Julio de 2014, 05:23:38 pm »

Ok. So everybody not agreeing with you should leave.

Not at all Wink. If you don't like an stablished contest as it is, perhaps its not for you: is it really that hard to see?

If you don't like the oscars, prolly you'll like another events. If you don't like football and prefer basketball, will you try to change football concepts? If you don't want Oreos, would you try to change their flavor to your favourite cookie them to fit your taste? Wink


Just one final question: is this your personal point of view or the official Karoshi point of view?

On which particular statement?
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« Respuesta #36 : 03 de Julio de 2014, 05:34:39 pm »

Ok. So everybody not agreeing with you should leave. Just one final question: is this your personal point of view or the official Karoshi point of view?

Not at all ;-). If you don't like an stablished contest as it is, perhaps its not for you: is it really that hard to see?

I was just telling what should be done to improve it (yeah, yeah, in my opinion, and all the stuff you said to me several times). Actually, I did NOT say that I don't like it, I just said that it could be better. So, I can't even express this opinion? I must accept the contest as it is or leave? Why? Because you (Jon) says so or because Karoshi officially says so?

Why can we discuss (as you did in previous editions) about expanding to MegaROM or not, about accepting MSX2 or not, about whatever but NOT about the quality of the games? Why can you propose changes in the specs but not that the contest should evolve?

Again, I repeat my former question: Is this your personal opinion or the official Karoshi point of view? Should I expect, in the future, your personal opposition or official Karoshi banning? Am I just disagreeing with Jon Cortazar or am I breaking the Karoshi forum rules?
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« Respuesta #37 : 03 de Julio de 2014, 05:35:29 pm »

Congratulations to Nerlaska. PRETTY KINGDOM It's a good game and (a few of ) us have recognized so.

About Destroyer:

First of all my apologizes. I'll never use hybrid modes anymore for games ... just because i'll not code any other game. I hate to be polemic and prefer to be clear regarding seriuos matters. Anyway this is not too serious for me. This is not my bussines and only enjoy coding small progs and music  altough I'm not game coder nor musician. Also anyone cannot develop a game. I'm one of them.

Qualified as a game:

- With no music Huh Sure???
- Not Standad (33% OK)
- Too hard Huh sure??
- Rubbernecking / My TV is very big...

I've noticed that many of the aswers to the contest are related to voting process an most of them comes from people that has no other post before. So no interest in games nor developement, isn't it?

I accept critics, not snubs. If you dislike the way I've used my MSXs (where I made my tests) and for you that means the whole work deserve to be void please, explain your reasons. I'll be gratefull if that could be done in constructive way. Two of my three MSX run Destoyer perfectly, my dear Toshiba HX20 don't. Yes, rules says "MSX compliance". Ok... then the game must be disqualified. Agree with this.


Jon Cortázar:

I think that he acts as forum/contest admin. He explained his reasons and I've not more to say. Agree with this.

Contest itself:

Nice! really intersting to see how Artrag has develop that ultra fast scroll for Uridium, perharps trying to improve Genesis Dawn of a new Day.  Jon Cortazar's Mr. Cracksman is a pleasure graphic. Nerlaska's Pretty kingdom is really pretty., Zero shows us VDP tricks most of us probably have never seen....

And sorry, I've not voted because I've not play all the games 100%, no time for check the code tricks nor endings and other stuff. I cannot qualify your work if I've not seen before.
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« Respuesta #38 : 03 de Julio de 2014, 05:37:17 pm »

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On which particular statement?

My apologies, I didn't read this sentence. I was talking on the sentences about "Kralizec comments are not admissible and being banned" and about "if you don't like the contest rules or my opinions, go elsewhere".
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« Respuesta #39 : 03 de Julio de 2014, 05:45:21 pm »

My apologies, I didn't read this sentence. I was talking on the sentences about "Kralizec comments are not admissible and being banned" and about "if you don't like the contest rules or my opinions, go elsewhere".

I can't recognize those two particular quotes with the word "ban" and the sentence "if you don't like the contest rules or my opinions", but perhaps it is just me that I can't find those. Can you please link them to me? Thnx in advance!

Anyway, if it is about the post in the voting thread, the whole text is supported by Karoshi MSX Community administrators, that is pitpan and me, who are responsible of the organization of the MSXdev contests. Hope this helps!
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« Respuesta #40 : 03 de Julio de 2014, 06:01:25 pm »

My apologies, I didn't read this sentence. I was talking on the sentences about "Kralizec comments are not admissible and being banned" and about "if you don't like the contest rules or my opinions, go elsewhere".

I can't recognize those two particular quotes with the word "ban" and the sentence "if you don't like the contest rules or my opinions", but perhaps it is just me that I can't find those. Can you please link them to me? Thnx in advance!

Anyway, if it is about the post in the voting thread, the whole text is supported by Karoshi MSX Community administrators, that is pitpan and me, who are responsible of the organization of the MSXdev contests. Hope this helps!

As for the "ban" word, sure, you didn't use it. I was talking about the text you say. So, it is official. Good to know.
As tor the other sentence, I was referring to sentences like

"So I agree with you on that some people could want a contest this or that way: for those, ok, go ahead and make it."
"If you don't like an stablished contest as it is, perhaps its not for you"
"(...)helping us to know what in YOUR opinion is right and what do you think WE should do"
"so: you don't like this place? Just left us alone" (to Kralizec)
"Go spoiling the fun elsewhere" (to Kralizec)

A fair summary of these sentences is "If your opinion do not agree with ours, go elsewhere". So, is this a formal Karoshi statement?

And, Jon, please, read again my first texts in the thread and think before replying. I just disagreed with some parts of Karoshi administration (banning Kralizec or however you want to call it) and said that the contest should evolve to higher quality standards. It is not too late to say "hey, maybe we should take into account these opinions" or "we personally didn't like Kralizec votings but, hey, I should not have acted as a moderator and invalidate their votes".
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« Respuesta #41 : 03 de Julio de 2014, 06:05:25 pm »

MrSpock : do you have really examined the way that Kralizec has voted ? I've mentioned 2 reasons why this vote seems me unfair. These reasons 'explain' only why there is no any game in this vote with a score above 6.75 (comparison with Konami games) and why 2 games (Destroyer and Zero) get only 1 point (Toshiba VDP compatibility). With some good will, I can understand the 1 point for the 'experimental' games of Nitrofurano. But what about the 1 point for 3 other games, including the winner ? ....
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« Respuesta #42 : 03 de Julio de 2014, 06:09:58 pm »

The question of if the Toshiba VDP complies with the standard is not simple. MSX Thecnical Data Book claims that de VDP have to be a TMS9918A or compatible. Texas instruments has documented the behavior of mask bits that affect the 'Mixed mode' in their official books for accelerating action in games, and succesors of the chip mantain the compatibility. So, in my own opinion, the Toshiba isn't a 'compatible' TMS.
Do you realize that the Texas Instruments VDP itself is not compatible with this "mode"? The sprite circuitry will fuck up and sprites 8-31 become unusable.

Just because the effect is documented in books published by Texas Instruments at a later date, does not mean it is part of the MSX standard. The MSX models that contain the Toshiba VDP are all certified by ASCII Corporation to be MSX standard compatible.

That said, the V9938 is the only VDP which can RELIABLY mirror the tables. So I suggest games that use this mode get a MSX2 requirement. If they use hardcoded 98h/99h I/O addresses, the requirement should be MSX2+.
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« Respuesta #43 : 03 de Julio de 2014, 06:23:26 pm »

Ok, now I think you have been specific enough! Smiley

"So I agree with you on that some people could want a contest this or that way: for those, ok, go ahead and make it."
"If you don't like an stablished contest as it is, perhaps its not for you"
"(...)helping us to know what in YOUR opinion is right and what do you think WE should do"

Those sentences are me anwering questions to you, aren't they? And I really agree on them! As MSX developer and user and as Karoshi MSX Community Admin!
- Yes, if some people want to make a contest with some particular specs and rules, it is free to do it.
- Yes, if you don't like a contest as it is concepted, perhaps you should consider if it is for you or not.
- Yes, I really think you state clearly your opinions and thoughts about what's right, although it is obvious that differ with mine. And that's not something bad!


"so: you don't like this place? Just left us alone" (to Kralizec)
"Go spoiling the fun elsewhere" (to Kralizec)

Again, as I've said before, the whole text of the voting thread "is supported by Karoshi MSX Community administrators, that is pitpan and me, who are responsible of the organization of the MSXdev contests". No problem to remark it anytime you need it!


And, Jon, please, read again my first texts in the thread and think before replying. I just disagreed with some parts of Karoshi administration (banning Kralizec or however you want to call it) and said that the contest should evolve to higher quality standards. It is not too late to say "hey, maybe we should take into account these opinions" or "we personally didn't like Kralizec votings but, hey, I should not have acted as a moderator and invalidate their votes".

I read your (and everyone's) text really carefuly. I am not the one entering flames or having misunderstandings because of fast reading: indeed, I prefer to read every coment and react to them as precisely as I can. And, *again*, you think there have been an overreaction from me, when acting as part of the MSXdev organization, on the fact of skipping the votes from Kralizec into the contest. I understand that: and again, please understand that I disagree with you in that, and that I really think a post like that was needed in that situation.

Anyway, we can keep like this forever, if you want. But I'm really starting to feel as our conversation leads to no place...
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« Respuesta #44 : 03 de Julio de 2014, 06:29:14 pm »

I suspect that Ramones is hating Nerlaska for personal reasons ...

Hey, mars! Stay polite... you have been supporting, but also making statements somehow out of the place. And this one is *really* unacceptable. Take this as an avice, and please, do not spread that kind of assumptions.

Sorry, but yellow card!
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